Tag: itachi uchiha

You said you had misread the ship question but had a long answer thought out.(UwU) Now I am curious to both what you thought you read, and what the long answer would have been! (*w*) (Summary is ok too) (Tgis is a different anon, one of your mutuals. I like your itachi a lot! )

[[ The long answer was basically… more or less “what would it take for Itachi to stay with a partner for a very long time”.

I thought about making illustrations but I type way faster than I draw and it would just be too much effort.

Now, for the purpose of this…..scenario (ugh) the assumption is there was tension between the Uchiha and the Leaf,  but a solution was found and thus the massacre was avoided. So a non-mass AU. This allows Itachi to stay inside the village since trying to ship with him in a canon timeline is basically impossible.) 

It’s also 99% sure that Itachi would’ve ended up with a girl, but I’ll use gender neutral language anyways. 

But I’ll list the criteria again.

Personality/Behavior

Itachi needs a partner who’s personality will either

a) compliment his

or

b) not clash with his

People like Izumi and Shisui, for example. Izumi has an easygoing, calm, kind of demure personality. Shisui has a vibrant, outgoing, honest personality and always backs up Itachi and his decisions. These are good people for him.

Itachi, as evidenced by the Uchiha clan meetings, does not like being insulted, screamed at, or belittled.

Especially not from people he is close with/has gotten close to. A partner who is too aggressive or who immediately turns to starting fights or insulting/screaming at him is not someone who he’s gonna want to be around with for very long. 

His partner’s view of the Uchiha has to be neutral/positive and free of stereotypes. The partner must not also attempt to apply those negative stereotypes to Itachi. 

Quite obviously…. Itachi isn’t going to be with someone who detests the Uchiha. Itachi is an Uchiha.

When it’s coming from complete strangers? Itachi can brush things like this off and label them as something else. When it’s coming from someone he is in the process of getting close to or is close to, it’s an issue. Especially if the partner is trying to apply negative stereotypes of the Uchiha to Itachi.

I’ve had ships (and an attempted ship) where it was clear the muse, really, really hated the Uchiha. It was awful. 

Itachi prides himself (silly boy) on being different than the other, adult Uchiha, so to be labeled like this anywayas is a low blow. He has his own personal gripes with the Uchiha and unless the partner is Uchiha to begin with, this really isn’t the partner’s place to discuss. Plus that segues into the most important topic….

Sasuke.

How does Itachi’s partner view Sasuke? This is the ultimate deal breaker. If the partner hates Sasuke, it’s over, then and there. He can’t be with someone who absolutely hates his little brother, since his little brother is the most important person in his life. 

But what about if it’s Sasuke who disapproves of the partner? This one is different, because it doesn’t automatically mean that it’s over, but how the partner reacts to Sasuke’s jealousy and aggression will be the key. The partner doesn’t have to be absolutely head over heels for Sasuke, but play nice where possible. Care for him a good amount, and if they really, really can’t, then be polite. The moment the partner starts aggressing back too much (even if it is justified), it will negatively impact Itachi’s opinion on them. 

Is it healthy? No. But it’s Itachi, and Sasuke will always be his #1. ]]

staginstasis replied to your post:
Why do people think it’s cool to be anti-Itachi?…

Im not anti itachi or anything but I do honestly think he was a more interesting villain �� thats just how I am though. Not a fan of redemption archs it just seems like a cop out to make a bad character and then back pedal like that. Gimmi some good villains who are actually bad!!!!

[[ Here’s the thing though, and while it isn’t my intent to argue with you, you’ve used a line of logic that I see frequently from anti-itachi people, basically the idea that he was “always” presented as a villain. Itachi was a shitty, questionable villain to begin with, and I couldn’t see this until I started re-watching/re-reading. Hell, Itachi’s English voice actor was able to tell that Itachi was never truly evil, and he actually got a lot of emails trying to prove him wrong until the literal canon proved him right. 

There was no “back pedaling” done with Itachi, it was always there, and too many people ignored it and are choosing to ignore it now. 

This is highlighted first in the official episode he appears in. For someone who supposedly killed his clan on a complete whim, he openly states he doesn’t want to fight Asuma and Kurenai. Asuma even calls him out on it! It’s weird! You’re a highly wanted murderer, why are you acting as if you have mercy, etc?? And Kisame complains multiple times that Itachi just doesn’t let him fight/kill people and how his methods attract too much attention. Itachi wants to be low key, stealthy, and avoids hurting people, preferring Genjutsu instead. 

Sasuke in the hotel? Well, we can’t apply Classic™ Abuser logic here, because an abuser seeks to isolate their target and will willingly chase them. Itachi’s not chasing anyone. While Sasuke is 100% NOT at fault for what happened to him here, Itachi would have never hurt Sasuke like this had Sasuke not shown up. Again– I’m NOT placing blame on Sasuke for showing up, but it is important to recognize that Itachi didn’t come here with the intent of hurting Sasuke further. Wrong place, wrong time, and he was forced to “prove” he was still a villain in Sasuke’s eyes. 

And no one noticed how fishy the flashbacks were, during the VOTE fight? How there was clearly some tension going on between Itachi and his Father, how Itachi immediately drops to his knees and begs for forgiveness when he realizes Sasuke’s witnessed him showing actual murderous intent. That’s a huge fuckin’ deal. 

It’s another sign that we DON’T know the real reason the massacre happened– something is UP with Itachi and eventually we will get to find out. 

Criticize Itachi for treating Sasuke as a thing to protect, criticize him for his plan to get Sasuke to kill him and be a hero, criticize him for the multiple times he’s used genjutsu to make him relive his trauma, etc. But please don’t pretend he was better off as a “true villain”, or that the reveal was “out of nowhere”/”not hinted at” or “backpedaling.” The signs were always there. 

There isn’t a shortage of villains in Naruto who are actually bad people– why does Itachi need to be one of them?? ]]

[[ Just to clarify, Itachi didn’t pick birds because “uwu goth aesthetic”, he picks birds purely because no one expects birds, and a sudden flock of crows in your face is going to confuse you WAY MORE than a substitution log/common replacement item.

It wasn’t about being cool/showing off, it was about effectively confusing his enemy and making them panic through a method no one’s tried before, and no one is generally expecting. ]]

[[ An interesting thought I just had.

Itachi’s own bias for Sasuke soured his own relationship with his Father, harshly criticizing every single ‘mistake’ Fugaku made, even though Itachi made a lot of those same mistakes and made excuses for himself.

Three times– two times specifically directed towards his Father, Itachi’s opinion of Fugaku grows worse as Fugaku does things Itachi perceives as insulting or damaging to Sasuke. Itachi doesn’t care much about how his Father treats him,  (at least, not on a level that Itachi is acutely aware of), but when Fugaku does something that upsets Sasuke, or something Itachi thinks will disrupt Sasuke, Itachi grows angry.

The first instance is when the district is being built. All the adults are unhappy because they know why. They’ve been accused of the attack and are being sequestered to a corner of the village, forced to all live together. Itachi, child that he is, doesn’t understand why the adults can’t be happy their homes are being built first. The district, from Itachi’s point of view, will provide safety and peace where Itachi can raise Sasuke. Because Itachi perceives it in such a way it can benefit Sasuke, it’s not a bad thing and the adults are just “dumb.”

The second instance (and these last two may be out of order) is when Fugaku raises his voice at Itachi concerning his position between the clan and village. Itachi is angry– not because Fugaku is screaming at him, not because of the pressure, but because the noise level might wake Sasuke up. He has a thought in which he accuses his own Father of not caring for Sasuke at all, because as far as Itachi goes– if you cared, would you not let him sleep in peace? Once more, anything he could misconstrue as hurting Sasuke counts against his Father.

The third is when Fugaku says he won’t be available for Sasuke’s entrance ceremony, because of the importance of making sure Itachi’s entrance into ANBU goes correctly. For a third time– Itachi believes that Fugaku doesn’t care for Sasuke, because caring for Sasuke means putting him above all else (even if Itachi is guilty of contradicting himself of this. He has a special excuse for himself so he can believe he doesn’t do this.) Itachi goes as far as to outright try to cancel the mission, to manipulate his Father into going to the ceremony and appeasing Sasuke.

Now, as far as Itachi’s excuse goes… Itachi himself believes his work will benefit Sasuke in the end. It’s why he believes he can get away with putting Sasuke off or cancelling things he previously promised. The end will justify the means to him, and in the end it’s for Sasuke. Not truly logically sound, but this is how Itachi thinks. ]]

‘None of my arguments are in support of the massacre, and they never will be’ – no, they’re in support of the one who comitted it. And how would Danzo convince village to kill civilans in their beds without alerting Uchihas? And, apparently, village is full of psychopaths. Great. And I blame Itachi for the actions of Itachi, no one else. Which is killing defenseless people and being remorseless murderer, traitor, liar and a coward. Enjoy your fave. And never become a politician or vote.

no, they’re in support of the one who comitted it

[[ I mean, if you wanna just say words for the sake of saying words, go off. I’m in support of not blaming a victim for the actions people in power manipulated him to do, dumbass. 

And how would Danzo convince village to kill civilans in their beds without alerting Uchihas?

Nothing I’ve been saying is about convincing the villagers to attack the Uchiha. Danzo would’ve just simply told his personal ROOT unit to do a surprise attack on the Uchiha, alone and conveniently collected in their own district, under surveillance, to enact the genocide. Stop reaching.

And, apparently, village is full of psychopaths. Great.

You really just out here being stupid for no reason.

And I blame Itachi for the actions of Itachi, no one else

Blame him for thinking isolating Sasuke was the right path and manipulating him into a near murder-suicide, then. The massacre is not Itachi’s fault and it will never be, people higher and older than him had been orchestrating it beforehand. He was manipulated and used and you fundamentally cannot dispute this. 

It really says something when you try and try again to shift all the blame onto Itachi instead of the council, Danzo, or Hiruzen, the people ACTUALLY responsible for this and toying with Itachi. The novels are there, read them. 

I will vote all I want :3c ]]

‘they would’ve gotten the ANBU to do it’. No one can guarantee that they would succeed, if Itachi wasn’t on their side (and Tobi ofc). And Hiruzen will have to explain to his people how the hell did hundreds of people died and who did it – there’s only so much you can pretend isn’t happening. And do I need to remind you that Itachi was supposed to be smart and wise beyond his years? (‘Hokage level’, pfft). And does he ever expresses regret? Does he ever implies that he was manipulated? No.

[[ Okay you’re here to be stupid again. 

No one can guarantee that they would succeed, if Itachi wasn’t on their side (and Tobi ofc)

You are forgetting Danzo already has them sequestered into a district and the Uchiha themselves are all bunched up, every single one of them, in preparation for their own attack. If Itachi was able to launch an attack the Uchiha did not predict, who’s to say the ANBU as a whole would not have been able to? Two (2) people took down the whole of the Uchiha clan without the screaming, and fighting, etc, spilling out past the district (which is already far from the regular populace.) If Danzo had the ROOT kill the Uchiha, it would’ve been much faster and deadlier, since there’s more people at once versus the Uchiha. This was a surprise attack. 

And Hiruzen will have to explain to his people how the hell did hundreds of people died and who did it –

All Hiruzen has to say is that the Uchiha became a matter of village security because they were planning a coup, which is the truth. A lot of the villagers already dislike the Uchiha (and you love to remain ignorant to that fact), and believe they are responsible as a whole for the Kyuubi incident. It was convenient as hell that it was treated as a ~tragedy~ because they got Itachi to do it, but Konoha could certainly get away with painting it as a necessary measure to save the rest of the village.

And do I need to remind you that Itachi was supposed to be smart and wise beyond his years? (‘Hokage level’, pfft).

This came out of Hiruzen’s mouth. SARUTOBI HIRUZEN’S mouth. Do you just pretend everything a character says is 100% indesputable fact? Hiruzen says this because he liked Itachi’s attitude and how he fundamentally didn’t agree with the Uchiha. Of course you’d say super nice things about a person you trusted and who you thought absolutely agreed with you. Is Itachi smart? Yes- but so are so many characters. Hiruzen himself was a prodigy, too. Intelligence =/= making the right and most logical decision. They’re people, not readers like we are. They  have things called morals and beliefs and ethics that don’t necessarily agree with ours. 

Characters can and will be wrong and will say things based on their own beliefs.

And does he ever expresses regret? 

And here you go again telling me you’re blind. Itachi expresses regret in the fashion of leaving the village and considering himself a criminal. Itachi expresses regret in that he knows he failed and this is how the rest of his life is going to pan out. Itachi expresses regret in the fashion he wants Sasuke to kill him as punishment, that he deserves for his little brother to end his life. 

Does he ever implies that he was manipulated? No.

STOP EXPECTING VICTIMS OF MANIPULATION TO KNOW BETTER. 

SMH this is CLASSIC victim-blaming. ]]

[[ Really– the only thing you could possibly fault Itachi for concerning the massacre (ignoring his mistreatment of Sasuke, because that is an entirely different topic), is for his slight position of privilege over other Uchiha. A position which…is Danzo’s fault anyways lol.

 Itachi has no idea that Uchiha clan members aren’t allowed to be ANBU or Hokage, or any other position that the elders/council consider too ~close~ to the village’s center. He never learns this, but he makes ANBU anyways because Danzo is so freakishly obsessed with him. So he just ends up thinking it’s because he doesn’t have that Uchiha “pride” and that’s what’s holding the other clan members back. It’s why he adopts that mindset of “hey maybe if you weren’t talking about being Uchiha all day, you could achieve positions like mine.” Without this knowledge of the positions actually being barred completely, of course he’d come to that conclusion. 

Shisui, too– is allowed to be a special ANBU under Hiruzen. Broke of them both the mold as far as the laws barring Uchiha, but under extremely specific (and entirely negative) circumstances. 

If Itachi hated the whole of the Uchiha completely, he’d be too happy to divulge information about the Uchiha to the Council. He in fact, refused most of the time. For a double agent, he was really shitty at it. He didn’t tell his own clan information, and he refused to tell Danzo information.

And you know what Danzo did when he didn’t get what he wanted from Itachi? He killed an Uchiha and had two of his ROOT members take turns impersonating him so that he could get information on the meetings. Itachi is someone Danzo considers useful to get what he wants. And if Itachi refuses? Well fuck him, Danzo will get what he wants anyways. Itachi had very little stopping power. ]]

‘Even if he chose to stand with his clan, he simply would’ve been killed along with the rest of them. The massacre would have happened one way or another, Itachi’s cooperation be damned’. Please, read this again and just… think, ok? It’s just crazy that someone can actually think like this. No, it wouldn’t happen. You’re saying that murder of innocent people was impossible to prevent. Danzo is evil, Hiruzen is weak, and Itachi hated Uchihas. Take one of this out and massacre wouldn’t happen

[[ Buddy, you’re really killing yourself with the idea that if you took out Itachi the massacre wouldn’t have happened. Itachi was a really convenient scapegoat. 

None of my arguments are in support of the massacre, and they never will be. The Uchiha did not deserve to be sequestered to a corner of the village, nor monitored, nor killed. I’m simply not foolish enough to believe the massacre was preventable by one single factor. Itachi was a child the top brass used to get away with genocide, had Itachi not existed Danzo simply would’ve carried out the genocide with his own ANBU/ROOT members after convincing the village they were ‘dangerous’ and a problem that needed ‘solving’. 

Stop blaming a child for the actions of adults. ]]