What views would you guess itachi had about the afterlife? Do you think he worried about ending up in a ‘hell’? I know the series philosophy would take after eastern religions, but I assume there’s still some sort of ‘bad place.’

[[ I would assume if Itachi believed in a “lower/bad” place, he’d end up there. He knows his actions aren’t positive, but I also don’t think he’s gunning for any sort of consciousness in the afterlife.

We know from Zabuza and Haku that they believe in some sort of hell, but it’s unknown whether that’s simply a Mist belief or a widespread belief.

We know from canon that there are three realms of existence. The living, the middle ground, and the afterlife. The middle ground is where people like Sakumo and Rin end up. Where they are still able to keep a watch on the world of the living and interact with others who end up there. The full afterlife has NO consciousness. Haku and Zabuza have no idea what happened after they ended up dying because they went straight into the actual afterlife, where they are cut off from the world of the living and a continued stream of consciousness.

So basically, if the belief of some sort of hell was universal among the five nations, Itachi would no doubt believe he’d end up there, but it wouldn’t be something he would focus on. ]]

Who was Itachi closer to – mom or dad? And why.

[[ His Father.

But– he wasn’t particularly close to either of them as a whole. Perhaps when he was under four, but after he saw the battlefield, he distanced himself from both parents, because Itachi was under the belief that an adult doesn’t depend on their parents. He began heavily disagreeing with his Father over how the clan was run, and his Mother became someone who fed him and did his clothing, but little else. This wasn’t the fault of his parents, merely his shinobi mindset.

This is why Mikoto is much closer to Sasuke– Sasuke doesn’t have the same expectations of Itachi and therefore Mikoto was able to actually Mother Sasuke properly. She didn’t get to do that with Itachi. ]]

Yoooo I have some questions if you don’t mind! it’s canon that sharingon makes memories permanent when the eyes transfer, but didn’t itachi use his sharingon during the massacre? So wouldn’t sas know something was up? Didn’t one of the novels say he only killed like 10 people (saw that somewhere, could be wrong) and he used tsukuyomi on izumi to give her peace, right? And then when he was crying before he killed his parents? And when he left the village theyre activated and he’s crying.

Wouldn’t that be a little sketch[y]? And then he forced sasuke to watch the massacre but if he didn’t kill that many people and obito was there how did sasuke never see any of that? Itachi has it activated when shisui walks off the cliff and gets the eye from him which disproves itachi claim that he killed him wouldn’t that be sus too? It just seems like there were a lot of giveaways.

[[ It would seem from the context and examples provided in this ask you are discussing the situation in which Sasuke would be suspicious of what Itachi claimed happened during the massacre, correct?

I like your enthusiasm, but there’s two things happening here which contradict each other.

1) Sasuke has no reason to believe anything Itachi says is false because he cannot draw (ie, recall/remember/see) the memories Itachi has prior to their fight and Itachi’s death.

2) Sasuke only receives Itachi’s eyes well after Itachi’s death. At this point there would be no point in him realizing a lot of things Itachi said were fake/fabricated because he already knows most of the truth. He already knows Itachi lied to him.

Hope this helps! ]]

What are them lines that the weasel has on his face

[[ Most of the time, they’re called “tear troughs” or just “troughs.” However they’re very clearly exaggerated stress/age lines. The lines he has when he is a child are quite pronounced, a product of what he’s faced at such a young age. Most other characters don’t get these sort of lines until they’re much older– even then, they’re not as bad as Itachi.

These characters are at least thirty years old, for example.

They’re not explicitly referred to in canon but one time, and it’s in the first of Itachi’s novels.

When Danzo meets Itachi during his graduation, he goes on to tell Itachi that the marks on his face will only bring him misfortune.

But– the reason I say they’re stress lines is because when he’s a child, they’re not as pronounced/long. As he ages, and things get worse, his lines get longer/worse.

I guess– out of universe context, they’re just something to make him unique. ]]

raineya:

uchihaharunoss:

unassailablewizard:

borutosdad:

yall ever think abt how sasuke developed single handed hand signs to overcome his disability? yall ever think abt how sasuke does hand signs holding a sword when other shinobi need 2 hands to perform signs?

– Loses his hand
– But doesn’t get a replacement, instead trains and gets better than ever.

My kind of shinobi

He’s the best

He’s truly a remarkable shinobi! He even wears a cloak to hide his amputated arm so he doesn’t receive any form of sympathy from anyone!

I’m gonna come at ya with the writer/storywriter standpoint. Beyond the Bible’s worth of flaws and bad writers, Sasuke was basically the story’s rag doll. He was just being dragged around if not to fill an archetype as Narutos rival but he was given almost Tokyo Ghoul levels of trauma since day one. And it bleeds into Boruto as just a joke to a sitcom and it’s just sad to watch. Like to sum it up: kishis did Sasuke very dirty

sasukerevolution:

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Hhhh. I disagree with you a little bit but yes– he was definitely done super dirty.

I think what I find the most insulting about Sasuke is that he wasn’t just a rag doll. He has a rich story all on his own– he has his own goals, his own motivations, his own personality, his own ambitions. He changes and develops independently– his surroundings change him in dramatic ways, but his surroundings aren’t dependent on Naruto. Even rivalling Naruto was the original purpose for his existence, Sasuke’s story could exist independently of Naruto without necessarily needing to be altered that much. Yes it’d have major consequences on his choices and on some of his actions, but overall, Sasuke doesn’t need Naruto to exist for his story to continue.

But then, at the end… everything about him is reduced to just that: his rivalry with Naruto. We learn that everything we knew about Sasuke is the result of an ancient feud between brothers– his entire character becomes about being Naruto’s antagonist (or his friend), instead of about… you know, all the things he actually cares about and stands for.

If Sasuke were just a rag doll from day one, he’d be poorly written and I wouldn’t care. But he’s not, he’s a complex person who got treated like a rag doll and turned into a punching bag. And that’s what pisses me off.

I know that we, as Sasuke fans, can collectively agree that his redemption journey+guilt tripping+getting beaten into submission+not getting justice+the way they treated him after his final fight with Naruto is horrible. However, he did commit a few very serious crimes and terrible actions, and he really should answer for them. What I’m asking is: in a miraculous scenario where people actually decide that, yeah, they really should give Sasuke the justice he deserves and even think about(1/2)

sasukerevolution:

changing the goddamn shitty Shinobi system still established, how would you handle Sasuke’s criminal record? Not as bad as how it was in canon, but he really did do some shitty things, so how should we… er, for a lack of a better term, “punish” him?(2/2)

Hmmm. I think to answer this question I need to break down what’s actually on Sasuke’s criminal record. This is a list that doesn’t include my personal feelings:

– Left the Hidden Leaf Village to train under Orochimaru: In the Naruto universe, this is an offense punishable by death. According to the rules of the Narutoverse itself, Sasuke automatically gets a death sentence for this. However, as a favour to Naruto, Tsunade chose to have this not be listed as a crime nor to pursue Sasuke as a criminal. Then Danzou redacated Tsunade’s decision, and then Kakashi redacted Danzou’s. Assuming the same things go down with regards to the line of Kages in this scenario, to avoid complications, we’ll work under the assumption that Sasuke is pardoned for this crime.

Sasuke committed no crimes that we know of while working under Orochimaru, so none will be counted. I would argue that Sasuke is not responsible for the death of Deidara or even Itachi, but regardless of how one views it both were criminals and their deaths caused no direct harm to the Leaf.

– Fought Naruto: The first two times this happens (Sasuke Retrieval arc and Tenchi Bridge Reconnaissance Mission arc), it’s in response to pursuit. This would maybe count as a crime of resistance to apprehension, but I don’t recall that ever being specified as a crime in the series so we’re going to pass over it.

– Joining the Akatsuki and attacking Killer Bee: If I recall correctly, the Leaf had already decided to pursue the Akatsuki before Sasuke even joined it, but the window of time between Sasuke joining and the Kage Summit that affected the law is so brief I’m not going to speculate on it too much. I say that Sasuke attacked Killer Bee because he actually did not succeed in killing him or in capturing him: as a ninja not affiliated with any Village, this is not an act of war. As we know, this led to the mobilization of the Five Great Shinobi Countries against the Akatsuki and to Sasuke’s subsequent death sentence, which was actually in effect this time. I’m not sure, however, what the punishment in the Naruto world is for attempted kidnapping. When Itachi and Kisame failed to kidnap Naruto, they weren’t even subsequently pursued for it, but that may be because they were already in the Bingo Book. Personally, I think Sasuke’s aid of the Five Great Shinobi Countries during the Fourth Shinobi World War may entitle him to a lighter sentence.

– Attacking Karin: Karin is not affiliated with any Village and was an affiliate of Sasuke’s. I don’t think the Leaf Village has a system that deals with crimes committed between criminals, so we’ll say he’s off the hook for this one.

– Killing Danzou: Since he’s no longer affiliated with the Leaf, this doesn’t count as treason. However, he did murder a leader of the Leaf Village. I’m not sure what “punishment” was attributed to Orochimaru when he killed the Third Hokage, which in my opinion is a precedent, but just based off of how the Leaf works in general I’d venture Sasuke earns a death sentence for this. This is without taking into account Danzou’s own illegal operations and lengthy criminal record.

– Threatening the Leaf Village: Threatening to harm a Village isn’t the same as actually harming it, but, again, considering the way the Leaf tends to handle stuff in general, I’m gonna say they’d throw a death sentence at him for even uttering his intent to destroy the Leaf. He fought Naruto again here but since it was in response to pursuit I’m going to go with the same thing I said above.

– Threatening to kill the Five Kage: Yeah, I think I’ll put this one under “probable death sentence” too.

– Challenging Naruto to a fight and attempting to murder him: This one wasn’t in response to being pursued. I don’t know what the punishment is in the Naruto world for challenging a shinobi to a fight when you are unaffiliated with any Village is. After all, rogue ninjas are supposed to be kill-on-sight just, like, in general.

Basically, by Naruto world standards, just judging his actions, Sasuke should be dead a couple times over. But if we’re discussing justice for Sasuke, we have to account for the crimes that were committed by the Leaf Village as a state against him.

– The biggest and the most obvious, The Uchiha Clan Massacre: Genocide is a very serious crime, and as the survivor of a state-ordered genocide, the Leaf really ought to be kissing Sasuke’s ass just in apology for the injustice that was committed against him.

– Negligence: In a fair system, the Leaf would have to acknowledge their failure to provide any sort of support or accommodation for an orphaned and traumatized child who is registered and that they are perfectly aware of. Especially because the reasons for his trauma are their fault.

– Negligence again: Namely, during the Chuunin Exams. The Leaf Village became aware that Orochimaru was a participant in the Chuunin Exams even while the second stage was still occurring. At that point, it was too late for them to do anything about Sasuke’s cursed seal, but even at Anko’s request to pull Sasuke from the exams during the preliminaries, the Hokage still insisted on allowing Sasuke to continue. They already knew that Sasuke was Orochimaru’s target as well; he should have been heavily guarded during the entirety of the exams.

– Inadequate retrieval measures: Though the Village was aware that Sasuke had left the Village, they sent genin who were Sasuke’s age after him instead of well-trained Jonin during the Sasuke Retrieval Arc. He wasn’t yet a missing-nin, at this point all they needed to do was apprehend him and bring him back to the Village, but their attempt was half-assed and they let him get away.

If this system is fair, then the Leaf Village’s own hand in creating Sasuke’s motives for his crimes must be acknowledged. I don’t think the Naruto universe even has a fucking court, lmfao. Sasuke had no lawyer or even an opportunity to represent or defend himself.

Personally? I think all things considered, Sasuke is a victim far more than he is a criminal. As you can see from my list above, many of his crimes were mere threats or unsuccessful attempts: the only crimes he actually successfully committed were leaving the Village, which as you can see above the Leaf is at least partially if not entirely at fault for, and killing Danzou, which considering the crimes Danzou committed against him and his motivation I think a fair court would pardon him for.

If I were the Leaf Village, I’d be on my knees begging for his forgiveness, not daring to so much as consider punishing him.

emimoo:

I’ve been wanting to write this out for awhile. I just. Do not understand why people hate Sasuke so much for leaving the village.

So first off, lets keep in mind how old he was. He was 12, like all the other main kids. From the time he was a baby he was expected to live up to Itachi standards of skill and smarts by his father and, albeit on a more passive level, by his teachers and other members of his clan. Obviously he can’t keep up, he isn’t Itachi no matter how much his dad would like to believe he has one son in two physical forms. In fact, the only person who really looks out for him on this front is Itachi himself, but Sasuke has the grudge every younger sibling has. His parents pay a lot of attention to Itachi and not a lot to him. That’s just what happens when you have a 5-7 year age gap between you and your sibling. Except his is amplified, because he’s also compared to him constantly in a way that makes him feel inferior. So from a young age he’s got this idea that he has to be better, he has to measure up to his fathers standards because he wants praise and to be noticed as his own person for once. Now despite his grudge, he also looks up to Itachi. He’s his goal, his big brother, and if he could get really noticed by Itachi? Then he’s done good! But Itachi is unattainable, and that is a rough mix for a kid to go through. Distant siblings are hard to work with. Especially when you want to love them, but you’ve got a grudge. Itachi was much better for Sasuke in this stage than their father, granted, I mean his dad didn’t even realize that his 8 year old son had burn marks around his mouth because he was training for days on end to impress him, to live up to his brother. And when he does get noticed? Its after Itachi and their dad have a falling out. He feels like a replacement, and that fuels him to be as good as his dad wants him to be, but it also makes him feel awful.

So now that little Sasuke has all these awful, confusing feelings and conflicting complexes, the massacre happens, and simultaneously his role model status of Itachi is crushed, and that unreachable persona of Itachi is amplified. He also gets fuckin tsukuyomi-ed at such a young age which alone can cause so much mental damage. So now, our lowkey abused child has ptsd, almost certainly depression, and he still has a lingering complex from his childhood that spurrs him to chase after Itachi that grew increasingly complex and twisted by Itachis little speech about how he needed hate to kill him and avenge the clan. He has no close friends, the best interactions he has are from afar with passing glances to Naruto- one lonely boy to another. He is still held to genius standards, and now he’s got people whispering about the massacre every corner he turns. May I point out, Hiruzen is an awful caretaker, he all but abandoned Sasuke and Naruto both??? After 4 years of isolation and being left in a stagnating pool of mental illness that just grew his complex into his lifes purpose, he is FINALLY put into Team 7 and forced to make some meaningful connections. Sakura and Naruto are his best friends, Kakashi is the closest thing to a dad he’s had in awhile (Although even Kakashi is just a close teacher, he doesn’t act like a dad until much later and even then it’s with distance. And I can’t fault the guy, he’s had his share of shit but thats not what this post is about.). Unfortunately, having friends doesn’t fix trauma. It’s not the other kids fault. Naruto encouraged him, having a healthy rivalry? Having good friends? It helped him, he really enjoyed it, he had fun while he was part of the team! But most of us know the feeling of having fun with friends and going back home for everything to come back down to earth and we remember we have anxiety, we remember we have depression, and we lay on the bed for awhile while we readjust to that. Sasuke no doubt had that. It’s all fun, but at the end of the day, his family is dead and his brother is still out there.

Now that could have been stand able, he could have stuck around, but here’s the issue: Haku comes around, almost kills Sasuke, Naruto has to save him. He can’t beat Gaara, almost depletes his chakra, pops his seal, Naruto has to save him. Itachi comes back, he gets thrown into a tsukuyomi induced coma where he relives the entire trauma that caused these issues again. He’s saved by Jiraiya, but he can only assume Naruto had a hand in it. In the racing arc? He and his clan are both insulted, Sakura almost dies saving his out cold body, and Naruto saves the day. He’s knocked out often in their fights, and if he’s not knocked out he’s unable to do much. He has to watch Naruto grow rapidly, while he’s almost stagnant. That’s enough to make anyone feel helpless, but Sasuke? Sasuke is supposed to be the genius, he’s supposed to be the Uchiha clans avenger. How can he do what he’s meant to do when he can’t even beat Naruto. When he can’t outwit someone who doesn’t think things through, when his biggest competition is someone who couldn’t even make a solid clone at the end of their academy days. And when all that weight is too much, yeah, he lashes out and fights Naruto on the roof. And now his strongest jutsu, his chidori, is so much weaker than the rasengan? Of course he breaks. And no amount of time trying to calm down in the trees is going to help. Kakashi lectured him, yeah, he connected with him, yeah! Kakashi tried. But before he could reflect, the sound 4 came along and offered him hope. Misguided, sure, but he was 12. A 12 year old is going to take your offer if its what they want. Frankly, someone who’s been suffering from mental illness with no relief is going to take something if it seems like a fix from all this hell. And when you’re a 12 year old whos been suffering from mental illness? Of course he accepted.

And don’t use Sakuras attempt to retrieve him as reason for him to have stopped. Sakura was selfish, first and foremost. She has a big ol complex of “Well I love him so if I’m around I can fix him!!” and literally wasn’t even trying to keep him in the village. She asked to go with him. She didn’t want to save him from the darkness, she wanted to be around him and use him as her self assurance that she was doing all she could when she wasn’t. Frankly, if Sasuke wasn’t damaged the way he was, I doubt she’d like him half as much. Now, she was also a 12 year old, did she understand? No, of course not. But that doesn’t mean that its a good argument for why he should have stayed. Naruto was more successful, but honestly if he beat the shit out of Sasuke and dragged him back to the village, it would have further solidified the idea that he’s weak and needs to improve. It’s not the kids faults, but like. they’re no reason to hate him for not listening. They were selfish, and he is being selfish too. Also, Neji, Choji, Shikamaru, and Kibas sacrifices weren’t actually explained to him, and seeing as he was in a half death state and likely in immense pain if he was able to register anything at all- which i don’t think he was- he couldn’t have known anything beyond what Naruto said: “Your comrades risked their lives for you”. Which isn’t believable at all when in a state like Sasukes, he probably thinks Naruto is blowing it out of proportion. He tends to do that.

Not to mention, he ran off to Orochimaru, master of manipulation. Of course he never grew out of it, he grew up through his teenage years in an environment that encouraged him to give into hateful impulses and hurtful behavioral patterns. If you pay attention to how he acts once he kills Itachi, he’s lost, and it’s obvious his whole life has been so centric on achieving that one goal, the first thing he does is do what Tobi tells him to do, because thats the only source of direction he has. Like, this boy is battered in the mental health department. He shows remorse for his actions, and only comes to fully grasp things and mellow out when he’s around adulthood. like.. c’mon y’all..

Anyways, I just don’t understand why people hate a 12 year old with 4 years of increasingly stagnant trauma on his back because he’s mentally unstable and went to the closest form of hope and comfort that he could think of, and then continue to hate him because he was on his own after being in such unhelathy and abusive situations and made decisions- that he changed his mind on and grew from- that made him seem like a bad person.

i feel that last anon is horridly incorrect. sasuke made some stupid decisions in his day (dont get me wrong, i love sasuke a lot, hence why i follow you!!) but the main two people who truly cared about his wellbeing wanting him safe and secure is hardly “obsession.” plus its a question of whether or not sasuke would even bother with restraining orders. i doubt he would honestly. he has too much pride.

sasukerevolution:

I mean, they meant it as a joke.

I disagree that Sasuke made “stupid” decisions. I think he made predictable decisions considering how heavily manipulated he was by literally everybody around him. But I digress.

Also, Itachi was really awful to Sasuke a lot of the time in his quest to keep him “safe and secure”. He traumatized and re-traumatized him multiple times– making him relive the deaths of his parents over and over on separate occasions, telling Sasuke he was only allowed to live because he’s unworthy of being killed by Itachi, brainwashing him onto the path of revenge, and he came extremely close to literally forcing Sasuke to align with Konoha via mind control with Shisui’s eye in the crow he planted in Naruto. And why? Because he “loves” Sasuke and wants Sasuke to bend to his will and submit to the way of thinking that Itachi curated for him because Itachi felt that he knew what was best for Sasuke. In the end, Itachi apologized for everything and changed his way of thinking and pulled away from trying to control Sasuke, and I do understand that Itachi was also manipulated (in fact, I’ve written quite extensively on it), but he definitely had an obsession with Sasuke that was extremely detrimental to Sasuke’s well-being regardless of Itachi’s intentions.

As for Naruto… if you’ve followed me a long time you’ve probably already seen some of my thoughts on why Naruto is bad for Sasuke. I have links to several of those here if you’re interested in reading about it. Naruto thinks he knows what is best for Sasuke even if he doesn’t. I’ve expressed my incredulity over this before but it still makes me angry so I’ll reiterate it– not only does he disrespect Sasuke’s wishes and goals and actively try to stop him from pursuing them, but he insists that he is doing it as a friend. Like– guys, seriously, try to grasp how nonsensical that is. Not only does he insist that Sasuke bend to his will, but he also insists that he and Sasuke have a good relationship at the end of it. Like. Like?? Naruto is controlling (like Itachi) and he thinks he cares about Sasuke’s wellbeing but what he really cares about is making Sasuke fit in to Naruto’s own vision for the world. The only time this wasn’t true was when he decided that he and Sasuke would just die together, but even then, he was deciding Sasuke’s fate for him and insisting that he knew best and that he was doing it as a friend. Naruto prioritizes his relationship with Sasuke over his relationship with anyone else including people who actually want relationships with him, he chases Sasuke despite being told to stop multiple times, and he clings to a fantasy of how he wants his relationship with Sasuke to be and prioritizes that fantasy over Sasuke’s actual circumstances and reality (like Sakura). So, yeah, regardless of Naruto’s intent and whether or not it’s good, his relationship with Sasuke isn’t healthy and it qualifies as an obsession too in my opinion.

As for whether or not Sasuke would bother with restraining orders– lol, yeah, he wouldn’t. Not necessarily because of pride but more because honestly what reason does Sasuke have to trust the law to protect him =P

I wanted to know esu’s thoughts on this scenario and what you think itachi would do. So Itachi kills the clan and leaves and Sasuke is left alone at the compound. Shortly after, Danzo goes to Sasuke and breaking his promise he kills Sasuke and takes his eyes. For some other reason, that night Danzo dies what would Itachi do in this situation? This is of course is not at all realistic but just assume it all happened like this and Itachi wasn’t there to stop Danzo.

[[ I’ve actually thought this scenario before. Danzo going after Sasuke just after Itachi leaves, because he feels he can do whatever he wants and get away with it, like he’s been doing for years now.

I can’t see him taking Sasuke’s eyes, though. That part makes little sense. Considering Sasuke only has a single Tomoe Sharingan and Danzo’s gotten all he wanted from the other corpses.

But killing Sasuke to get him out of the way? I can see that. I can see Danzo being over-confident in that Itachi will not find out, but Itachi’s smarter than Danzo gives him credit for.

1) Itachi would release all the secret info on the Leaf Village to the other villages. What they do with that info is none of his business or responsibility anymore.

2) He would personally return to the Leaf and kill Danzo himself. Perhaps the entire council, because it is bad enough Danzo acted out of line, but Hiruzen failed to do anything about it, and Hiruzen was already earning Itachi’s scorn just before the massacre occurred. He trusted Hiruzen to keep Sasuke safe, and he failed.

3) He’d start a fire. An Amaterasu fire. He’d kill himself with it. It would spread very far, possibly decimating most of the village. ]]