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[[ Actually, again, on the subject of Orochimaru;

People leaving him alone/refusing to do a real hunt for him isn’t anything new.

I know this is what a lot of Anti-Orochimaru is centered around. “Why did no one try to kill him again” “Why can he run around free doing what he wants” “Why has he not been punished/jailed” etc. And I know Sasuke poses to him the question of jail-time in his own novel.

But think about it. Hasn’t it been like this all along?

Hiruzen never organized a true hunt for Orochimaru. Neither to kill him or to jail him. The reason being he still felt sorry for him. So Orochimaru got to run his bases and experiments with minimal Leaf Village interference. 

Jiraiya was looking for him– but not to kill him. He still wanted to bring his old “friend” back. 

Naruto only turned his focus on Orochimaru because Sasuke ran away to him. That’s why Orochimaru was dangerous in Naruto’s mind, because he had a pull on Sasuke and wanted Sasuke’s body. As far as Naruto’s logic is concerned…

Orochimaru not currently going after Sasuke/having Sasuke in his bases by force/Sasuke not wanting to stay with him = Orochimaru isn’t dangerous and poses no threat. 

Naruto legit doesn’t care unless Orochimaru turns his sights on Sasuke. 

So this isn’t a “bad/lazy writing” issue, Naruto himself just doesn’t care unless Orochimaru goes after Sasuke.]]

[[ Hffff.

Man, I love Orochimaru.

The reason he can run around freely in the Leaf and is otherwise undisturbed in his bases is because he had a kid, and fandom as a whole is so obsessed with kids that they take that as proof he’s a good person. I’ve literally seen people argue seriously that he’s 100% redeemed and is a wholesome person, despite Taka being stuck with him, erasing Mitsuki’s memory six times, letting Shin loose, etc.

Basically, 95% of fandom heard he had a kid and fell for it. And like– I like the fanart too. I like to see it. It’s cute, but it serves the purpose of reinforcing the idea that parents with their kids are cute/good people. It’s a psychology thing. And not only did it work within canon, it worked outside of it. The worst Naruto can do is notice Orochimaru looks younger. He’ll walk right into a base and back out. No punches. Nothing. Yamato is stuck watching him for life. 

Orochimaru is truly the best manipulator, being able to woo people within the story and outside of it. Everytime writing or fanart is produced of him coddling/hovering over Mitsuki, of him with a very young Mitsuki, etc, it only plays into this. The child makes most of us willingly forget what he’s done before and never apologized for. There is almost zero discussion on what Orochimaru succeeds in parenting vs where he fails compared to Naruto and Sasuke. He calls Mitsuki to check up on him? Clearly this means he’s all around a better parent than Naruto and Sasuke. What memory-erasing??? /s

Orochimaru said he loved Mitsuki dearly and most everyone just fell for it. But I still love Orochimaru, not because I condone what he’s done, not because I agree with him, but because he is truly the best manipulator there is.  ]]

[[ I can forgive posts that are obviously joking/trolling about Mitsuki/Log being the combination of Orochimaru+Someone Else With White/Silver Hair (insert popular Oro ships here), but I can’t forgive posts that are like…serious. That seriously try to meta out who Orochimaru “did the dirty with” to produce Mitsuki and Log. 

Did no one read the one-shot? Orochimaru refers to Log and Mitsuki as synthetic humans. They’re not produced like regular humans are. They’re different. 

Orochimaru hasn’t been fully human in some time, and his body from the 4th war onwards is a Zetsu. Why would someone like Orochimaru, who is a scientist, who can and does play god whenever he wants to and often disobeys the “normal” rules of science for funsies, bother with something like insemination/pregnancy? Pregnancy is risky, the man has access to lots of tubes/equipment and Mitsuki/Log were obviously made in his lab. There he has control of lots of factors and doesn’t have to deal with a) himself being pregnant or b)watching someone else’s pregnancy. Mitsuki is only 12 but was born with sage abilities, and has Orochimaru’s stretching ability.

It also matters that Orochimaru calls himself Mitsuki’s parent. He doesn’t call himself a parent out of a set of two. He doesn’t refer to himself as Father, or Mother, he refers to himself as the sole parent because he is their sole creator. There isn’t mixing two sets of dna here, Orochimaru is the only progenitor. 

Give Orochimaru some credit, man.     ]]

((list of things I think about at two am

°Orochimaru probably has tablets. He already has tons of computers and electric lighting, it would make sense for him to have plenty of iPad style tablets for his work. Convenient, easy to store like a clipboard, travel with you.

That was one thing but you know what. Take it.))

uchiha-madara:

originalladyscythe:

Not Sure Why I made this, I think i did it for possible story Ideas later down the road but this my attempt at figure out where the know members of this clan can go.

Possible Branch 5, Mikoto is related to Madara

OP I know you meant well, but this family tree is wrong. I’m going to start with how you have Madara at the very top as the ancestor, in this case. That would be Indra, as it’s stated that the Uchiha descended from him as the Senju descended from Asura. You’re also missing Tajima Uchiha, Madara’s father as well as the other many Uchiha families there surely were because when Madara left, he left an entire clan. 

 In canon, Madara never had children. If he had, they would have been mentioned down the line (like Tsunade was mentioned as Hashirama’s granddaughter). There’s also the fact that he left the village and was too purpose-driven to father a child. 

In the case of Kagami being Shisui’s father–that certainly isn’t the case. 

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It says descendant, not father. I know that if he was Shisui’s father it would have been explicitly stated, as with Tsunade. 

And in any case, Madara did not father a child. This would make an interesting AU but it is definitely not canon. If anything he would be a great-great-great-great uncle many times removed to the current clan members (as of Sarada’s generation) because there is not an explicit timeline given to us by canon. 

@uchihasavior​

[[ OP, let me add that Shisui’s Mother and Father are explicitly stated in the Itachi Shinden novels. While certainly not stated by name, and not present in any scenes, Shisui mentions them to Itachi. Shisui’s Father participated in the 3rd Shinobi world war and lost a leg, and dies between the two novels. Shisui’s Mother dies in the Massacre. 

Kagami Uchiha died at age 25. A case could be made for Great-Grandfather, but certainly not Father. ]]

On Sasuke and protectiveness

sasukerevolution:

Speaking of Sasuke and his protectiveness, I wanted to say some things about that. 

I think one reason he ends up getting so close to Team Seven is that, at Sasuke’s core, he’s really not a hateful/angry person. Hating Itachi wasn’t motivation enough for him to want to stay alive and keep fighting– and finding the will to stay alive is one of Sasuke’s struggles. Early on in the series, in the very first arc, he was about to kill himself because he didn’t think he could escape what the enemy was doing until Kakashi reassured him. He sacrifices himself for Naruto. His only thought in several of the more difficult battles he comes into in the series is “I can’t die here, I still need to kill Itachi” because he’s trying to use his hate for Itachi as a motivator to keep going.

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Hating Itachi didn’t come to him easily. It was something he had to keep talking himself into over and over again. There’s a reason that when Itachi returns to the Leaf Village he tells Sasuke that he lacks hatred. Hatred just isn’t a powerful enough driving force for him.

Caring about people, though? That came to him far more naturally, and pretty soon his language shifts gears. When he sacrifices himself for Naruto, he says regretfully that he wanted to live to kill Itachi. It’s significant that he brings it up at all, because even unconsciously it shows that at this moment, protecting people is a stronger driving force. When Naruto comes in to finish the Gaara fight, Sasuke puts all of the emphasis on saving Sakura. I think part of what made Sasuke so self-sacrificial is that he would literally rather die than see the people he cares for be hurt.

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He needs something to care about, not something to hate, to drive him.

You can also consider his conversation with Orochimaru, when he says that he doesn’t kill because the only person he wants to kill is Itachi. Orochimaru comments that Sasuke’s going to have to learn to be heartless. Sasuke says, 

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i.e. “I’m okay with not being heartless right now. I’ll be heartless when I have to be.” Coldness just doesn’t come to him naturally, and a lot of him doesn’t even strive for it.

Itachi tried so hard to make Sasuke hate him but the second Sasuke had reason to think he didn’t need to hate him it was right back to “I adore Itachi and I care about him more than anything and if he lived his life to protect me I’ll live mine to protect his memory.” 

He doesn’t want to be hateful… it adds significance to that line everyone quotes from the end. What he always, more than anything, wanted is love, and he lived in a world that wanted him to be hateful.

sasukerevolution:

This got really long so it’s under the cut; in summary it’s basically a refutation of the argument that Sasuke was arrogant in part one.

tbh a lot of people hate part one sasuke for being arrogant with regards to his pride in the uchiha name and like

There’s a lot of different ways this can be deconstructed but I think the main point that can be brought up to refute this and this idea of his arrogance is that Sasuke literally has no personal attachment to any of his accomplishments. Whenever he does anything successfully, if he’s complimented on it, he automatically defers it back to “Well I’m an Uchiha, what do you expect?”

And it’s not really a surprise that he thinks this way. 

Keep reading

sasukerevolution:

One thing I really wish people understood about Sasuke is that he’s afraid of getting close to people because he’s afraid that he might end up hurting them for power. He learned very early on that hurting the ones you care about actually will grant him power and that’s been re-proven several times as he grew. He believed for ten years that Itachi killed the clan as a measure of power. He learned at seven years old that a big power could be obtained by killing his closest friend. He cut his ties with Naruto specifically so that he wouldn’t feel forced to gain power by killing him– if he’s not friends with Naruto then he can’t get the Mangekyou from Naruto. This is the significance of his first scene in part two, when he says to Naruto that this time he’ll kill him on a whim. He means this time it doesn’t mean anything to him. He wouldn’t gain anything from it. It’s just proof that the bond has indeed been broken.

Itachi later tells him that there used to be bloodshed in their clan even between brothers for the sake of acquiring power– it had to do with love, and the grief that one must endure to commit that sort of a betrayal and to lose someone important to oneself. Sasuke obtained the Mangekyo after killing Itachi, he becomes aware that he has it after learning the truth, mourning, and deciding to destroy the Leaf.

Sasuke learns that the Sharingan feeds off of strong emotions, especially grief. He learns that Uchiha are full of love and it’s the pain of loss of loved ones that gives them new abilities and fills them with hatred. Everything that Sasuke knows about friendship and bonds is messed up; it’s tied to pain and loss and greed and power. He learns that hate is as powerful if not more powerful than love. He learns that love can only ever turn to hate. Is it such a wonder that he keeps people at a distance? Is it such a wonder that he’d rather call Naruto, whom he’s already tried to kill multiple times, his only friend, than refer to anyone else important to him as friends and bear the risk of someday hurting or killing them? 

Sasuke’s concept of relationships is not normal. Sasuke does not think of friendship as something healthy or desirable. Sasuke sees friendship as a poison that’s only function is to someday hurt you. When Sasuke says to Naruto that he’s his one and only friend, he’s saying it because he plans on killing Naruto in a few seconds. He’s saying it because he’s trying to hurt himself for the sake of the ninja world. It’s better to only have to kill Naruto, a person who’s constantly presenting himself as a challenge to Sasuke anyway, than to have to kill every single person that’s important to him– so he doesn’t call those people important to him. He tells Kakashi and Sakura that he wants them to live in this better world– why?

Sasuke cares about more people than just Naruto. He just would really, really, really rather not.

kijinosairai:

uchihasavior:

rexcrystallis replied to your post:
[[ itachi eating bugs…. lol ]]

ew

[[ TOO LATE IT’S CANON

TL;DR Getting food provisions during missions is important but sometimes it’s not enough. Sometimes people eat bugs. For protein. ]]

[[This shouldn’t be a surprise, considering how we see this all the time in Man vs Wild etc. Ask a modern day soldier and they’d tell you the same thing– squirrels, lizards, scorpions, bugs, whatever you can get your hands on. There’s a segment in military training where you’re expected to survive in the wild for a week or two and part of this training is to know how to hunt, kill and eat wild animals, including bugs, as a means of sustenance. Plus, a little bit of history– countries like Vietnam and Cambodia have a plethora of ‘exotic’ dishes that are pretty much a euphemism for ‘really weird’. A good portion of it got pretty popular in Cambodia, for example, during the Pol Pot regime when people were not allowed to eat more than their allocated ration. Yes, they literally faced execution.

That being said, I’m just amused at the reactions 😛 Because it’s a given when you consider the military/survival setting. Any shinobi, regardless of whether they are Akatsuki, would have either been trained to capture those bite-sized protein packets or would have been expected to know how to do so. Soldier pills only last for so long and they wouldn’t save you if the mission took much longer than anticipated and you ran out, or if you had to go into hiding for an extended period of time.

Also, just to add, eating bugs is not so strange in Japan. At least with regards to locusts. ]]