Is Itachi’s perception of Sasuke faithful and accurate or does he project things onto that as well?

[[ Oh, you sweet summer child… 

For a majority of the series, Itachi does project onto Sasuke. HEAVILY. I’ve discussed it before, I can’t remember exact posts, though. But no, Itachi’s perception/image of Sasuke is NOT faithful, and that is the problem with their dynamic for the longest time. It’s only when saying his final goodbyes to Sasuke that he relinquishes the ideas he has. That he allows Sasuke to be himself. 

For the longest time, Itachi sees Sasuke as a person to protect. Someone who cannot handle certain information, someone who must be guided on a path. It isn’t in Sasuke’s actual nature to be a violent person, yet Itachi wants to keep him locked on the path of vengeance and hatred. Sasuke innately cares about people, and Itachi tries to basically beat that out of him. Itachi has what I’m gonna call an “inner Sasuke”, aka the way he sees Sasuke. This is what he projects upon the real Sasuke. Itachi’s whole plan… dying as a villain, having Sasuke return to the village and play house, etc, that all depended on his inner Sasuke. 

(this actually causes a lot of trouble when viewed as a ship, because Itachi’s inner Sasuke is very dominant and humiliates Itachi, which is what he thinks he deserves, but the real Sasuke is not so domineering and would rather not hurt him if he can help it.)

He admits during his goodbyes that he didn’t treat Sasuke as an equal. As his own person. It’s only then that he really, truly does. ]]

Heyy, I once saw a post saying that those Itasasu fics where Itachi rapes Sasuke are believable, cos since Itachi HAS used Tsukuyomi on his brother as a form of psychological torture to convince him that he was a monster, it wouldn’t be far-fetched to say that he would use sexual torture as well. Do you have any thoughts on this?

[[ Uhhh no. I don’t think Itachi actually raping Sasuke is believable at all. Itachi has never had sex in canon, I doubt– even if he was presenting himself as a monster to Sasuke, that he would ever cross the line into anything like molestation/sexual assault.

He has used Tsukuyomi to explicitly remind Sasuke of the thing he’s done, which is kill their parents/clan and leave him abandoned on his own. This has absolutely nothing to do with sex at all. 

The fics are “believeable” if you’re into rape fics/portraying Itachi as a sexual predator. I don’t mind rape in fiction at all, and I don’t care if people write it, but it’s ridiculous to try to claim it in any sort of canon analysis, because Itachi would not cross that line. Let’s just leave it as the fetish material it is. ]]

Where the FUCK did the assumption that Suigetsu couldn’t read even come from

[[ Unfortunately, there’s a few roleplay blogs (and one claiming to be a shitposting blog?) that share the headcanon that Suigetsu can’t read. 

This isn’t treated like an AU, it’s treated as if it could’ve been canon, it’s used in analysis, meta, so on. 

Now, obviously we’re rolling into the territory of “what? people can’t have their own headcanons now?” but the thing is a headcanon can’t work against canon. Suigetsu has proven he’s easily capable of reading. His databook page lists him as having completed multiple missions, many A and B rank, a shinobi who could not read and write reports to turn in would not have been near Jonin-level. Kirigakure is not a dump of dumb, violent brutes. This also serves to just….prop up Orochimaru. Nevermind Orochimaru experimented on him and captured him…he is nice now, and taught him how to read! 

It works as an AU. Not as a headcanon. ]]

IC CHATZY STRIP TRUTH OR DARE TODAY!!! SAT. MAY 26 8 PM US CENTRAL

kakunosekai:

Heyyo everybody it’s that time again~ Time for another game of IC STRIP TRUTH OR DARE.

When?

TODAY!! Saturday, May 26 at 8pm Central Time

Where?

>>This Chatzy Room<<

Who is welcome?

  • Naruto muses (multiples are A-ok), muses from other fandoms, OC’s –literally absolutely everyone!
  • Muses will have to be 18 or older, or you can age them up simply for the game.

General guidelines and rules with regards to how things work in the chatroom:

  1. The room is Uchiha Sasuke (36 y/o) ‘s house. Please respect it as if you were entering a real person’s house. So let’s not rip up the furniture and punch holes in the walls or start brawls c:
  2. This is an IC game and will have NSFW mentions. If you are uncomfortable with your character receiving NSFW or humiliating dares or questions, this might not be the room for you.
  3. Please only play one character. Two people can come in and play the same character (two people can each play a different version of Sasuke, for example), but one person cannot be playing two characters at once. This is to prevent someone from playing with themselves.
  4. Please go to PREFERENCES and turn on SOUND ALERTS. A condition can be made where you are alerted by sound when your character’s name is written in the chat. This is to help things run smoother so that other players aren’t waiting on one player to respond during their turn.
  5. You can enter the chatroom at any time before this to get yourself settled and unsilenced prior to the beginning of the game, or if you just want a feeling of the regular atmosphere. We’re always happy to see new, regular players~!
  6. Sasuke does not tolerate any physical fighting in his home. Doing so will result in an in-character kick, and an OOC kick later if you as the player fail to restrain your character.

Also, you can check out our standard rules we have to keep things stress-free:

[OOC Rules] . [IC Rules] . [OC/FC Guidelines]

[[ Starting soon!! ]]

IC CHATZY STRIP TRUTH OR DARE TODAY!!! SAT. MAY 26 8 PM US CENTRAL

kakunosekai:

Heyyo everybody it’s that time again~ Time for another game of IC STRIP TRUTH OR DARE.

When?

TODAY!! Saturday, May 26 at 8pm Central Time

Where?

>>This Chatzy Room<<

Who is welcome?

  • Naruto muses (multiples are A-ok), muses from other fandoms, OC’s –literally absolutely everyone!
  • Muses will have to be 18 or older, or you can age them up simply for the game.

General guidelines and rules with regards to how things work in the chatroom:

  1. The room is Uchiha Sasuke (36 y/o) ‘s house. Please respect it as if you were entering a real person’s house. So let’s not rip up the furniture and punch holes in the walls or start brawls c:
  2. This is an IC game and will have NSFW mentions. If you are uncomfortable with your character receiving NSFW or humiliating dares or questions, this might not be the room for you.
  3. Please only play one character. Two people can come in and play the same character (two people can each play a different version of Sasuke, for example), but one person cannot be playing two characters at once. This is to prevent someone from playing with themselves.
  4. Please go to PREFERENCES and turn on SOUND ALERTS. A condition can be made where you are alerted by sound when your character’s name is written in the chat. This is to help things run smoother so that other players aren’t waiting on one player to respond during their turn.
  5. You can enter the chatroom at any time before this to get yourself settled and unsilenced prior to the beginning of the game, or if you just want a feeling of the regular atmosphere. We’re always happy to see new, regular players~!
  6. Sasuke does not tolerate any physical fighting in his home. Doing so will result in an in-character kick, and an OOC kick later if you as the player fail to restrain your character.

Also, you can check out our standard rules we have to keep things stress-free:

[OOC Rules] . [IC Rules] . [OC/FC Guidelines]

Yes, Suigetsu can read. We see him do it.

kakunosekai:

snagglefang-thoughts:

And here we see Suigetsu finding a scroll in Orochimaru’s secret room, being able to discern that it is something special amid a whole lot of other papers, reading it, comprehending how it can be used, and deciding that Sasuke needs to be given that thing.

He’s a competent shinobi. From a village that does have a ninja Academy. He has had at least one older family member he can remember who could have taught him things.

(He’d completed 92 official missions prior to his capture, the databook says – 2 D-rank, 33 C-rank, 40 B-rank, 13 A-rank, 4 S-rank. While 13 or younger, judging by the hints.)

Yes, he can read. No, he didn’t learn it from Orochi-fuckin-maru. If Naruto, orphaned and isolated, not paying attention in class, can read, Suigetsu definitely can, and we see him do it.

L-O-L at whoever assumes that because

  • Suigetsu speaks and acts rather crudely, and
  • he is from a pretty violent village,

he must be illiterate.

Leave your real-life prejudices at the door, people, because
what this is is the insinuation that shinobi from Kirigakure are automatically ‘less
civilized’ in comparison to villages like Konohagakure and Sunagakure. And this
is all somehow based on some assumption that Kirigakure is supposed to
symbolize a version of ‘the hood’ that happens to be full of a bunch of
illiterate hooligans taking over. Or something to that effect.

Let’s not dumb down Kirigakure to that, yeah? Their culture
and values might be different from most other villages but it does not automatically translate into ‘nothing
but barbaric and full of illiterate people’. Stop stereotyping.

Besides, Suigetsu is:

  • a Jonin from
    one of the five great nations. Having completed 92 official missions and with
    his specific abilities that are well suited for infiltration and espionage? He most definitely knew how to read, write
    out reports, comprehend written information, as well as disseminate that
    information whenever necessary.
  • a member of the Hozuki clan—one that produced a Mizukage;
    why would you think such a clan would want
    their clansmen to be illiterate??

Suigetsu talking and acting crudely does not equate to him being stupid by any
means. He is hailed as a prodigy by
at least one person (Kisame) from the same village who held quite a high
position in the shinobi ranks there (and internationally, because heck the
Seven Swordsmen are internationally renowned).

Now we come to the Orochimaru
teaching Suigetsu how to read part. Like what the actual fuck—where did that
come from? From whose tiny mind? Orochimaru clearly
didn’t intend on teaching Suigetsu any damn thing. The only reason he picked
him up was to steal the secrets of his hydrification technique. He was a
prisoner and he was tortured. Suigetsu himself claims that his stamina’s not as
great as it used to be when Hebi/Taka take off and everyone else is complaining
about how many breaks he keeps on taking.

If he’d been in top shape and was constantly training, his stamina wouldn’t dip so low. (We’ve
been told over the course of the series that chakra levels can dip low due to
age and if a shinobi stops using ninjutsu/taijutsu etc. for a while. Two examples
would be Hanzo the Salamander, and Gai’s explanation of how building up chakra
reserves requires quite a bit of physical training) So haha yeah. If Orochimaru
‘cared’ at all, he would’ve kept him in top shape. But no, the kid was stuck in
a tank and people want to say Orochimaru taught
him to read?

Orochimaru didn’t give a shit if he died—as long as he died
giving up the secrets to his family jutsu.

So, to sum up:

  • Orochimaru didn’t give a shit about Suigetsu’s well-being
    and cared only about the hydrification technique
  • Suigetsu learned all he had to learn from his family and
    from his village. It was his perseverance and his will to live that saw him
    through years of torture and imprisonment. Orochimaru does not get fucking credit. None. 

Stop trying to paint Orochimaru as ‘uwu best Mom’.  He isn’t. He
wouldn’t even know where to start
.

Stop trying to trivialize imprisonment, torture and
experimentation.

Stop stereotyping. 

Yes, Suigetsu can read. We see him do it.

kakumeinoshippai:

snagglefang-thoughts:

And here we see Suigetsu finding a scroll in Orochimaru’s secret room, being able to discern that it is something special amid a whole lot of other papers, reading it, comprehending how it can be used, and deciding that Sasuke needs to be given that thing.

He’s a competent shinobi. From a village that does have a ninja Academy. He has had at least one older family member he can remember who could have taught him things.

(He’d completed 92 official missions prior to his capture, the databook says – 2 D-rank, 33 C-rank, 40 B-rank, 13 A-rank, 4 S-rank. While 13 or younger, judging by the hints.)

Yes, he can read. No, he didn’t learn it from Orochi-fuckin-maru. If Naruto, orphaned and isolated, not paying attention in class, can read, Suigetsu definitely can, and we see him do it.

[[ This. 

I am so tired of seeing headcanons/meta/analysis claiming that Suigetsu can’t read. It infantalizes him awfully. He’s not some dumb Kiri-redneck who needs Momma Orochimaru to teach him how to read. He already KNEW how to read. He was a Jonin-level Shinobi by the time he was captured, of course he’s going to know how to read.

Stop treating him like he’s stupid. Stop treating him like a child. Stop treating him as an object to prop up Orochimaru and make him look better. Orochimaru kidnapped him and tested on him in a tank for three years, why do you people want to ignore that so much? ]]

Chatzy IC Strip Truth or Dare Sat. May 26!

kakunosekai:

Heyyo everybody it’s that time again~ Time for another game
of IC STRIP TRUTH OR DARE.

When?

Saturday, May 26 at 8pm Central Time

Where?

>>This Chatzy Room<<

Who is welcome?

  • Naruto muses (multiples are A-ok), muses from other fandoms,
    OC’s –literally absolutely everyone!
  • Muses will have to be 18 or older, or you can age them up
    simply for the game.

General guidelines and rules with regards to how things work
in the chatroom:

  1. The room is Uchiha Sasuke (36 y/o) ‘s house. Please
    respect it as if you were entering a real person’s house. So let’s not rip up
    the furniture and punch holes in the walls or start brawls c: 
  2. This is an IC game and will have NSFW mentions. If you
    are uncomfortable with your character receiving NSFW or humiliating dares or
    questions, this might not be the room for you.
  3. Please only play one character. Two people can come in and
    play the same character (two people can each play a different version of Sasuke, for
    example), but one person cannot be playing two characters at once. This is to
    prevent someone from playing with themselves. 
  4. Please go to PREFERENCES and turn on SOUND ALERTS. A
    condition can be made where you are alerted by sound when your character’s name
    is written in the chat. This is to help things run smoother so that other players aren’t waiting on one player to respond during their turn.
  5. You can enter the chatroom at any time before this to get
    yourself settled and unsilenced prior to the beginning of the game, or if you
    just want a feeling of the regular atmosphere. We’re always happy to see new,
    regular players~!
  6. Sasuke does not tolerate any physical fighting in his
    home. Doing so will result in an in-character kick, and an OOC kick later if
    you as the player fail to restrain your character.

Also, you can check out our standard rules we have to keep things stress-free:

[OOC Rules] . [IC Rules] . [OC/FC Guidelines]