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You talked about SNS but not about SasuSaku. Why do you hate it?

sasukerevolution:

Honestly the reason I don’t talk much about SasuSaku on my blog is because I feel like so many people already talk about it. I hate it for pretty much the same reasons most people who hate it do. This is a really great post by @renaerys on it, though I don’t agree with everything in it.

I guess without getting into too much detail these are my main reasons for disliking SS:

  • Sakura doesn’t respect Sasuke’s wishes in the context of their relationship
  • Sasuke isn’t really what Sakura wants in a partner (and this was true since they were twelve. Her ideal Sasuke was Naruto-disguised-as-Sasuke.)
  • I think a lot of Sakura’s growth centred on moving on from Sasuke, which isn’t something she was able to do within the series. TBH none of Sakura’s relationships with Team Seven are particularly healthy; Sai and Ino are better friends for her.
  • Sakura uses a lot of emotionally manipulative language when she speaks to Sasuke about her feelings
  • Sasuke isn’t particularly receptive of Sakura’s feelings nor does he give many indications that they’re reciprocated (I will acknowledge that in part one this is debatable; personally I think he cared for her as a dear friend, but I’m not going to get into semantics about whether his feelings toward her were platonic or romantic. Either way, I think his behaviour in part two and onwards is decidedly not romantic, including his behaviour post-ending)
  • Sakura’s feelings for Sasuke make her miserable?? The way she talks about it, especially in part two, you’d think she’s shackled to an anchor. It doesn’t make her happy, it weighs her down. And while some amount of that isn’t unusual, that misery defines her relationship with him for such a long time. It’d be so much healthier for her to move on.
  • Their relationship is harmful for Sarada
  • What makes it the most despicable for me is actually post-ending information, which… I generally don’t take as seriously as stuff that happened within the original series. But honestly, if SasuSaku was just canon and we didn’t know anything about what happens after the ending, I’d be like “That’s stupid and unhealthy" which like, is bad enough on its own but it’s not gonna like, keep me up at night or whatever. The problem is that the extra novels canonized that Sakura goes after Sasuke while he’s still on his journey against his explicit wishes, and resolves that she will no longer take no for an answer and continue to pursue him until he returns his feelings. And that information fills me with a disgust so profound I can’t even articulate it. It keeps me from peaceful sleep.

So… yeah. I really dislike SasuSaku but I just don’t find it worth my time to delve into it very deeply because there’s so many people out there already deconstructing it much more articulately than I could.

even if it was wrong in hindsight, i think it was natural move for someone as pragmatic as tobirama senju. his goal was to protect his clan and the village, and when he became hokage his distrust in the uchiha was obviously going to be acted upon Somehow. he was kind of ridiculous, thinking they’re all cursed, but it’d be OOC if he hadn’t done Anything since that’s just how he is. there’s meta on that somewhere, I’ll link it when I find it

[[ Oh, I was never arguing whether it was in or out of character for him to never act on it. Would it have been nice if he didn’t? Sure, but you are correct, as shitty as it is for the Uchiha, it makes sense for who Tobirama is to act on it to assuage his paranoia and feel like he’s done something to protect the village. ]]

Do you think Itachi would have gotten sick if he never used his fire breathing powers, I heard that was what made him sick, smoke inhalation.

[[ Er, where did you hear that? If something like that was true, then a lot of the Uchiha clan would be suffering from the same illness. Katon is a signature Uchiha technique, they are expected to perform it to earn the right to earn the crest shamelessly. Madara’s been using it for a lot longer than Itachi had, and he’s certainly not sick. Sasuke never got sick, either. ]]

ik you’re an itachi analyst but this question is about tobirama i’m sorry… he was wrong on a lot of levels because he abused his authority and power (and also his position as hashirama’s brother) but at the very core of his point of view on the matter even before he were to have acted on it in such a way, would you call tobirama’s prejudice against the uchiha clan unjustified?

[[ Had Tobirama never acted on it, or abused his power as Hokage’s Advisor and Niidaime Hokage, no, I wouldn’t call his prejudice unjustified. Tobirama grew up in an era where clans went at each other’s throats. Uchiha killed his brothers, and eventually his parents, and a lot of his clansmen. Likewise, Senju killed many an Uchiha. In this sense, the prejudice is justified on both ends.

If he just held onto it and never enacted any laws that served to keep them out of certain positions, etc, it would’ve been fine. But that was not enough for him. ]]

21tailsofwoe:

Now I just have two questions about Itachi

1. What the fuck did he do in Akatsuki

2. Why did he still called himself a shinobi of the Leaf if he hated both shinobi and the Leaf

1. What the fuck did he do in Akatsuki

[[ Ran missions selected for Akatsuki like the rest of them. Akatsuki in canon is a group of mercenaries who does the jobs no other country wants their own shinobi to do for fear of immediately inciting a war (since they are high risk and involve stealing weapons, killing important figures, etc), and for much cheaper. Of course, most of these jobs were for collecting funds and eventually they started their real jobs, which is hunting down the nine Bijuu. He wasn’t just wandering with Kisame all day. ]]

2. Why did he still called himself a shinobi of the Leaf if he hated both shinobi and the Leaf

[[He calls himself a Leaf Shinobi because he is. Itachi never actually hated the Leaf and while he disliked the shinobi system’s effort to pit them against each other, he knew it was those skills he would need to eventually end the fighting. You’ve phrased it here like Itachi is inherently misanthropic (IE, he hates people), when that is fundamentally not true. Itachi’s loyalty lies in the bright future he sees for the Leaf, and he will readily admit the system is frought with issues. Perhaps you took his earlier statements when he was pretending to be a calculating mass murderer at face value? He’s had plenty of development since then, and characters do not always speak the absolute truth. It’s unreliable narration because it’s either through the lens of a characters’ beliefs, morals, code of ethics, etc, or they’re just lying. He never hated the Leaf.

**Edit based on some of the replies, in no order.

“What was he doing for a decade?”

It was eight years, not a decade. He was 13 when he fled the village, and about to turn 22  when he died to Sasuke.

“For whom was he spying?”

For Hiruzen, primarily. This is the only time Itachi was a true double-spy. He was working for Akatsuki but passing on information about them to Konoha. If Akatsuki was to become too big of a problem, Itachi would have tried to intervene. He died before he saw the bigger scope of Obito’s plans. He outright states to Hiruzen his intention is to join and to spy. He was never loyal to anything Akatsuki stood for. ]]

I’m reading through a lot of Itachi Chronicles tags from people who’ve read them, since I haven’t been able to attain them yet. I remember you from a while ago! Anyway, Madara warned the clan all those years ago, only for them to ignore him, and he ended up leaving the village, thinking he was a failure for being unable to keep him promise to Izuna to protect them since they wouldn’t listen to his advice and warnings about the village being against them. What do you think of it? Was he right?

[[ Considering that Danzo specifically worked to cage in and eventually kill the Uchiha at the soonest possible chance he got, Madara was right. 

It wasn’t Hashirama, no, but Tobirama put those steps in place, all because he hated Madara himself and thought the Uchiha having things like ~emotions~ was a matter of super srs village security. Tobirama was the classic example of wielding the Uchiha VS Senju hatred from before. The Uchiha had a right to stay in a village they felt safe in. Too bad Tobirama would fuck it up because of his prejudice, and pass that onto his students. ]]