Tag: orochimaru

itachi-maru:

Reread Update: I really don’t like the way that Sasuke is written in Shippuden, acting like an angry rude know-it-all who repeatedly hurts people and makes dangerous decisions. I have trouble sympathizing with him 

[[ “Acting like an angry, rude know-it-all, who hurts people, and makes dangerous decisions.”

Er, level with me here. Orochimaru is a criminal. Orochimaru has committed countless atrocities. He’s experimented on children and adults alike. He regularly kidnaps prisoners, to steal their jutsu and force them to work for him. He has groomed countless children into soldiers who die for him, while he does not actually care for them at all. He obsesses over Sasuke’s technique, blood, and body, and seeks to take Sasuke’s body for his own. Sasuke did not receive the curse mark willingly.

Pray tell, exactly how is Sasuke scolding him and calling him out on all the things he’s done (which are not justifiable in any way), work negatively against Sasuke at all? This is the second time since Itachi that Orochimaru has been put in his place. 

I’m sorry, but if you think this kind of discussion works against Sasuke, I urge you to re-evaluate how you are reading this manga. Orochimaru has had a punishment coming to him for a very long time. Nothing Sasuke is saying is untrue. Or is your anger perhaps directed at the fact Sasuke was mean to Orochimaru, who you are clearly a fan of? I too, enjoy Orochimaru’s character immensely, but I do not excuse his actions, nor do I protect him from the punishment he has had long due. 

Sasuke is written excellently, in my honest opinion. He too, could’ve been a victim of Orochimaru’s in the sense he gained a form of loyalty, or sympathy, but Sasuke remained himself while in Otogakure, and did not fall for any of Orochimaru’s tricks.

Orochimaru only has himself to blame for this scenario, and Sasuke had every right to go at him. ]]

itachishusbunny:

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hotmonkeelove:

snagglefang-thoughts:

I’ve theorised before about something where Suigetsu is actually keeping an eye on Orochimaru for Kiri, but this makes it seem even more interesting. This is the scroll with which Mei confronts the treacherous officials. This is also the scroll Suigetsu gives Mitsuki, letting him expose Shizuma.

We find out later that Orochimaru was nudging the coup plan along (see below, under cut), and therefore that it’s Orochimaru’s plan Suigetsu has sabotaged by giving Mitsuki that information. Did he also cooperate with Mei? Is that how the scroll has been passed around?

It’s clearly not Orochimaru who has his highest loyalty, or he wouldn’t have first tried to dissuade Orochimaru, and then outright sabotaged the plan. So perhaps he really is working for Kirigakure, a double agent seemingly acting for Orochimaru but actually acting for his homeland. (And he does call it home, when he’s talking to Mitsuki. He says he’s returned home for a mission.)

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I think it was the other way around. That this was all a scheme on Orochimaru’s part to root out troublemakers and nudge Suigetsu to be more independent and responsible, and less”awful” as Mitsuki put it.

Hahaha no.

Orochimaru’s plan was stirring up trouble for his own ends. And he is not the higher moral influence on Suigetsu. He is not teaching Suigetsu to be better. He is not better than Suigetsu. He never was. And he never will be. Orochimaru has no moral compass and frankly it grosses me out that anyone would suggest he was using this as some kind of ‘teachable moment’ for Suigetsu.

Who, by the way, deserved better than to be working for him at all.

@hotmonkeelove 

This was in no way any scheme of
Orochimaru’s to root out troublemakers, and being somebody that has
absolutely no moral compass, Orochimaru is the LAST person to be able to nudge
ANYONE in  any ‘right’ path. There has never been any parental role played by this
man towards Suigetsu, and there never will be, because Orochimaru is a
character that is incapable of that kind of feeling. Whatever benevolence he
might show on the outside has always been proved to be a ruse, just a means to
get what he wants. We’ve seen throughout the series how easily he discards
those that are of no more use to him. Mitarashi Anko, the Sound Four and
Kimmimaro are a few.

This opinion that he’s a benevolent ‘good’
person now, frankly, does nothing but insult Orochimaru’s character as a villain through and through– a cold-hearted
scientist that sees the entire world as his lab and the people in it as his
experimental subjects. He hasn’t ‘turned over a new leaf’, either. He hasn’t
‘turned good’. No. He’s just allowed to continue doing what he does, because
Konoha figures they could still be able to use him in the future should shit
hit the fan and they need resources. Orochimaru himself explains to Sasuke that
this is the reason they’re keeping him alive.

It’s a shame, really. Orochimaru being
the cold bastard he is, who hasn’t really changed after everything that’s
happened, is what makes him a GREAT villain and a GREAT character. Dumbing him
down to being an all-caring fatherly/motherly/parental figure with absolutely
good intentions just because you like him and ship your characters with him and want to justify liking him is
just… awful character assassination of one of the consistently villainous
characters in the series. And one of the best, and most interesting, honestly.